This will be interesting. Road game against another young exciting team. Jeremy will probably be paired against second year point guard Eric Maynor. He went to my school which was a mid-major school and played sort of an off guard position, and is transitioning into an NBA point guard. I think Jeremy could learn a thing or two from facing him and I think it will be exciting to watch.
ya... i hope smart gives lin a chance to play a good 5 or 6 mins in the first half and another 5 to 6 in the second... but maybe it's just wishful thinking. i think smart doesn't put lin in because the offense stalls a bit when he is in, even though he provides energy and defense
The Warriors have been very consistent giving up 30 points and being down double digits in the first quarter. The team has to spend the entire game crawling out of a 15 point deficit.
It's old...but just got to say it ... "Another team is going to score 200 points on the Warriors." How hard is it to play defense? When you are playing poorly, that is the one area you can actually excel in right? Anyhow, it's painful to watch so far. Might as well toss JLin in there. At least that'll keep my attention even if they lose. ..
The Warriors are a straight up terrible team. The ridiculously obvious fouls on screens by Lee and Adrien are so frustrating. This team is disintegrating game by game.
two things... Lin HAS to knock down his free throws when given the chance...doesn't matter if you are cold or warm if you are not in the rotation you needa do everything perfect to get in the rotation... and he really needs to be strong and fight over those screens
Lin is already a defensive standout. But his offense will take a few months to gel. He'll get his minutes in the spring. And next year's Summer League will be great for him -- he'll be the one leading the team with free rein, getting 25mpg.
Just curious, which dubs fan is saying that the dubs are losing because of Jeremy Lin? I'm a dubs fan, I admit that Warriors are losing, I also admit that I believe Jeremy is currently playing poor and is more of a 3rd string pg instead of a 2nd string pg. However, was there ever a juxtaposition made by any dubs fans that Jeremy was the 'cause of it? I guess it's just other fans trying to accuse dubs fans for not being jlin nuthuggers. True, many dubs fans see him more of a 3rd string pg while other fans see him more of a 2nd or even 1st string pg. But I don't recall any dubs fans blaming the losses on him, perhaps miscommunication?
Curry is awesome on offense, but isn't strong enough to play good D, especially against someone like Westbrook. He would make a great 6th man but hie ego probably won't let him do it.
Not suggesting that JLin is better, just a stronger defender.
@Anon 7:09 The general consensus with Warriors fans is that JLin is not NBA ready and that he is taking up a roster spot that could be taken by a backup point guard instead. Jeremy is an undrafted ROOKIE and was not brought in to be a 2nd string PG (but Warriors fans don't care and are blinded by the losses). He was brought in to be a 3rd string PG but since NO ONE on the bench is a back up PG, JLin had to step up to that spot. There's a LOT of people who think JLin is a wasted roster spot. Go on twitter and search "Jeremy Lin" and you'll find tons of haters who claim this. Some retards are even claiming that JLin (who plays 5-10 mins a game) is the reason the Dubs are losing. REALLY?! Those people need a reality check because the last time I checked, a bball game was 48 mins. Go to any of the fansite blogs about Warriors and you won't believe some of the retarded comments made about JLin. I'm thinking you live in a bubble...either that or you refuse to believe how stupid some Warriors fans can be.
lin had several nice stops... including one on durant before he was subbed out. durant tried driving, couldn't get around lin, then got stripped by lin. no credit for the steal though since lin picked up the ball out of bounds!
@Anon 10:26pm The way he is producing right now, I would have to agree with you. The last 4 games he was in he totaled 29 minutes with ZERO assists and ONE point while going 0-6 FG and 1-4 FT. As a backup point guard you have to do more than that to stay on the roster. Yes, his defense has been decent (3 steals, 2 blocks, with stops that don't appear in the box score) in that stretch but as a PG to have zero assists is telling. People may say he didn't get some foul calls but at a 1-4 FT rate, I don't think that would make much of a difference.
I really hope he develops quickly, but realistically, I think time is starting to run out.
jeremy, gotta step your game up offensively. you don't have to score but rack up some assists like what a point guard is supposed to do. otherwise it's the D-LEAGUE. once you're down there, its very hard to get back up.
jlin can't get assists when he rarely brings the ball up the court and almost never gets an outlet to run a break. tonight reggie w. had jlin cutting off a rebound and didn't hit him in order to give it to monta so he could do not run a break -- well done. the rest of the time he was off the ball. can't rack up assists or points doing that...
the warriors don't even remotely play the kind of basketball suited to jlins game. he miscast and misfit with this crew. let him play his game and let him effect the score by creating TEAM play. i mean BWHITE (because he should be white) leads more breaks than jlin and he's god awful at it.
Warriors are playing him off the ball, dunces. That's why he doesn't have assists these days. Also, in the one recent game in which he did play the point, his guys missed open shots or turned it over. Not his fault.
The real problem is that the Warriors' offense, while prolific, is selfish, poorly organized, and based on hot shooting. And it's like that because of injuries and the fact that no Warrior can play both offense and defense -- so you can't get any rhythm or consistent rotations.
It's a PG job CP3 would find difficult, so JL7 isn't gonna fix things as a rookie. Just look how awful Steph Curry is as a playmaker right now -- he's just a great scorer. I mean, notice how he scores 30-40...and his team still loses or even gets blown out. His play doesn't help anyone else but himself.
Warriors need a lot of improvement, which should be seen as the season progresses.
Last season, David Lee was the only big man in the entire league who led his franchise in scoring. He was brought into Golden State and paid a lot of money 'cause everyone saw that he fits into the Warriors system. He has yet to be fully utilized and integrated. The Warriors really have to get the bigs utilized, Biedrins has to be averaging at least 10ppg, David Lee 20ppg.
Overall, team defense needs to improve a lot more. It's still an improvement from last season, where defense wasn't allowed due to Nellie-ball. But still, there's still a long way to go. DTW, defense travels well (Coach Smart). keep up the hard work, Go Warriors, go Jlin!
David lee, along with Dwight Howard, are the only big guys in the league who led their franchise in scoring. For some reason, I thought Vince Carter scored more than Dwight due to lack of offensive repertoire. Chris Kaman might've joined the list, but I think he got injured and Eric Gordon passed him in scoring.. . not too sure.. . meh, too lazy to check
start curry, monta, carney (not allowed to shoot-- just defend), lee, biedrins.
off the bench for limited minutes bring jlin, reggie, bwhite, leave lee, biedrins. it's a 2-3 minute team tops.
then sub out biedrins, then lee and lin reggie.
go with monta curry carney (bwhite or reggie whoever is playing better) adrien.
basically, reggie and jlin spell curry and monta in tandem. wright gets carney. and until udoh and admunsen return... adrien, biedrins, and lee three man rotation with adrien getting limited minutes.
the jlin with curry and monta is a waste. except for jlins defense.
go with this rotation and monta and curry get to do their thing the bulk of the time. and get a blow from jlin and reggie. jlin gets to run the point. and both reggie and bwhite get to come off the bench shooting.
point is... dorrel wright should not be a starter. he should come of the bench. tell carney to defend the small forward and don't let him shoot. he won't need to anyway because monta and curry are going to hoist all the shots...
Folks, I agree, the Warriors play like a selfish team. And I think it begins at the guard level. When they see Monta just shoot the ball almost every chance he gets, and Curry can not run the plays well, everyone has gravitated to just shooting the ball themselves. Some of the shots last night were horrible choices. Could have used more passing to develop the plays. But nope, in 38+ minutes, Monta has "0" assists. And Curry, the more I see him play, I think he may be better as the shooting guard. Reason: he turns the ball over regularly, and he has a hard time running plays. And when it comes to defense, he is like a boy guarding the men out there. With a physical point guard, he just does not have the strength to "D" up.
I also agree, the W's seem to be self-destructing...let's hope they can turn it around.
the problem is monta and to a lesser extent curry. but don't tell that to desperate dubs fans who only look at the scoring stats. fix the starting 1 & 2 position and you have a playoff calibre team. first of all monta at 6'3", 180lbs is too short and too weak to defend other team's 6'6" sg's. and even though curry at 6'3" 185lbs is a good size for a pg, he is too weak and slow to defend other pg's. the two of them on the floor together is a disaster defensively AND offensively as none of them can really get anyone else involved.
"What happened to all the aggressive drives that defined Lin's college career? The fearlessness needs to come back."
Because Smart insists on playing him with Monta, not Curry most of the time. They don't want to upset Steph by moving him to SG where he belongs.
For the record, for all of JL's "struggles," he almost always holds the fort down -- through baskets, defense, steals, blocks, or bringing up the offensive energy for his teammates. JL has never once cost the Ws a close game. Right now, he's at worst a mixed bag. Nothing to worry about; nothing to get excited about. Just let JL play and prove himself!
Do you think Smart asks JL to drive to the basket and be aggressive offensively when he sub JL into the game? Not likely. It is more likely that Smart asks JL to play smart, pass the ball, and play good defense, so Monta or SG can rest.
I think Ellis needs to be traded, he's good offensively, but that's it, the guy doesn't play any defense and seems like he has a chip on his shoulder. He's also not big enough to really play a two and doesn't dish the ball enough to play the 1. People compare him to Iverson, but where is Iverson now?
i dont care if Lin has to drive and get fouled on every play, he needs to be more aggressive offensively or else the dubs will look for someone with the same defensive intensity but with a stronger offensive skill set. i'm rooting for him to have a long career. but really...you use your heart to play defense, but you use skills to play offensive. to me, skill is harder to gain than heart.
I've seen enough to believe Lin can play in the NBA...perhaps not with the present Warriors roster. If he leaves,it'll be a disappointing moment but I will look forward to someday watching Steph Curry fall on his rear end while trying to guard Lin's drive to the basket.
why should jlin even need to score? or score much? i mean, at best, hes a limited minutes back up... the warriors don't need more points from the point guard spot or the two spot. they need more points from the TEAM, particularly the 3,4,5 (and that might include a few from jlin. ... but a lot?) they have plenty of points from the guard spots. in fact, as i have been saying all along, they may have too many points from the guard spot. the fact is, they are just a weak team -- with two prolific scorers -- and don't play very good team basketball. the way they play is tailored for curry and monta to score in bunches, but does not do much for overall team flow. i mean, count the amount of dribbles that curry will use to get off his shot. and everybody else just stands around and watches. at least monta gets to the basket in a few dribbles but he will also hunt an outside shot with multiple dribbles. its bad basketball at its finest. but it may be the only type of basketball that they can play. there are many other players on this team that can't score or don't score when they need them to. just a weak team. jlin is fine. the owner wants him there...
While Monta and Curry are fun to watch as individuals, they don't play team basketball. They will always be limited to be the next Stephon Marbury or Allen Iverson. It's a me first chip-on-the-shoulder mentality that's evident in their style of play, which stunts the offense for everyone else.
Everyone just stands around as Monta or Curry makes a move. They miss. Opponent rebounds and takes it the other way for a basket.
Dubs should trade Monta and Curry for Russell Westbrook. That would be a game changer.
This will be interesting. Road game against another young exciting team. Jeremy will probably be paired against second year point guard Eric Maynor. He went to my school which was a mid-major school and played sort of an off guard position, and is transitioning into an NBA point guard. I think Jeremy could learn a thing or two from facing him and I think it will be exciting to watch.
ReplyDeleteya... i hope smart gives lin a chance to play a good 5 or 6 mins in the first half and another 5 to 6 in the second... but maybe it's just wishful thinking. i think smart doesn't put lin in because the offense stalls a bit when he is in, even though he provides energy and defense
ReplyDeleteellis and curry is awesome early lol
ReplyDeletedubs down big again in the first quarter. damnit lin! it's all your fault
ReplyDeletedamn, lin is playing some GOOD D so far... too bad everyone else is sucking it up..
ReplyDeletewestbrook has 9 assists vs curry. PUT YOUR HANDS UP CURRY.
ReplyDeleteDamn, the losing streak continues for the Warriors...
ReplyDeleteThe Warriors have been very consistent giving up 30 points and being down double digits in the first quarter. The team has to spend the entire game crawling out of a 15 point deficit.
ReplyDeleteIt's old...but just got to say it ... "Another team is going to score 200 points on the Warriors." How hard is it to play defense? When you are playing poorly, that is the one area you can actually excel in right? Anyhow, it's painful to watch so far. Might as well toss JLin in there. At least that'll keep my attention even if they lose. ..
ReplyDeleteThe Warriors are a straight up terrible team. The ridiculously obvious fouls on screens by Lee and Adrien are so frustrating. This team is disintegrating game by game.
ReplyDeleteMore minutes for Lin?
two things... Lin HAS to knock down his free throws when given the chance...doesn't matter if you are cold or warm if you are not in the rotation you needa do everything perfect to get in the rotation... and he really needs to be strong and fight over those screens
ReplyDeleteLin is already a defensive standout. But his offense will take a few months to gel. He'll get his minutes in the spring. And next year's Summer League will be great for him -- he'll be the one leading the team with free rein, getting 25mpg.
ReplyDeleteJust curious, which dubs fan is saying that the dubs are losing because of Jeremy Lin?
ReplyDeleteI'm a dubs fan, I admit that Warriors are losing, I also admit that I believe Jeremy is currently playing poor and is more of a 3rd string pg instead of a 2nd string pg. However, was there ever a juxtaposition made by any dubs fans that Jeremy was the 'cause of it?
I guess it's just other fans trying to accuse dubs fans for not being jlin nuthuggers. True, many dubs fans see him more of a 3rd string pg while other fans see him more of a 2nd or even 1st string pg. But I don't recall any dubs fans blaming the losses on him, perhaps miscommunication?
Curry is awesome on offense, but isn't strong enough to play good D, especially against someone like Westbrook. He would make a great 6th man but hie ego probably won't let him do it.
ReplyDeleteNot suggesting that JLin is better, just a stronger defender.
@Anon 7:09
ReplyDeleteThe general consensus with Warriors fans is that JLin is not NBA ready and that he is taking up a roster spot that could be taken by a backup point guard instead. Jeremy is an undrafted ROOKIE and was not brought in to be a 2nd string PG (but Warriors fans don't care and are blinded by the losses). He was brought in to be a 3rd string PG but since NO ONE on the bench is a back up PG, JLin had to step up to that spot. There's a LOT of people who think JLin is a wasted roster spot. Go on twitter and search "Jeremy Lin" and you'll find tons of haters who claim this. Some retards are even claiming that JLin (who plays 5-10 mins a game) is the reason the Dubs are losing. REALLY?! Those people need a reality check because the last time I checked, a bball game was 48 mins. Go to any of the fansite blogs about Warriors and you won't believe some of the retarded comments made about JLin. I'm thinking you live in a bubble...either that or you refuse to believe how stupid some Warriors fans can be.
lin had several nice stops... including one on durant before he was subbed out. durant tried driving, couldn't get around lin, then got stripped by lin. no credit for the steal though since lin picked up the ball out of bounds!
ReplyDeleteSomwhow I think tht Lin might ger release by the Ws or sent to the D.L. since they are looking for another PG from free agent list.....
ReplyDelete@Anon 10:26pm
ReplyDeleteThe way he is producing right now, I would have to agree with you. The last 4 games he was in he totaled 29 minutes with ZERO assists and ONE point while going 0-6 FG and 1-4 FT. As a backup point guard you have to do more than that to stay on the roster. Yes, his defense has been decent (3 steals, 2 blocks, with stops that don't appear in the box score) in that stretch but as a PG to have zero assists is telling. People may say he didn't get some foul calls but at a 1-4 FT rate, I don't think that would make much of a difference.
I really hope he develops quickly, but realistically, I think time is starting to run out.
if monta stop hogging the ball all day then somebody on the team might ave more than 3 assists per game
ReplyDeletejeremy, gotta step your game up offensively. you don't have to score but rack up some assists like what a point guard is supposed to do. otherwise it's the D-LEAGUE. once you're down there, its very hard to get back up.
ReplyDeletejlin can't get assists when he rarely brings the ball up the court and almost never gets an outlet to run a break. tonight reggie w. had jlin cutting off a rebound and didn't hit him in order to give it to monta so he could do not run a break -- well done. the rest of the time he was off the ball. can't rack up assists or points doing that...
ReplyDeletethe warriors don't even remotely play the kind of basketball suited to jlins game. he miscast and misfit with this crew. let him play his game and let him effect the score by creating TEAM play. i mean BWHITE (because he should be white) leads more breaks than jlin and he's god awful at it.
Warriors are playing him off the ball, dunces. That's why he doesn't have assists these days. Also, in the one recent game in which he did play the point, his guys missed open shots or turned it over. Not his fault.
ReplyDeleteThe real problem is that the Warriors' offense, while prolific, is selfish, poorly organized, and based on hot shooting. And it's like that because of injuries and the fact that no Warrior can play both offense and defense -- so you can't get any rhythm or consistent rotations.
It's a PG job CP3 would find difficult, so JL7 isn't gonna fix things as a rookie. Just look how awful Steph Curry is as a playmaker right now -- he's just a great scorer. I mean, notice how he scores 30-40...and his team still loses or even gets blown out. His play doesn't help anyone else but himself.
Warriors need a lot of improvement, which should be seen as the season progresses.
ReplyDeleteLast season, David Lee was the only big man in the entire league who led his franchise in scoring. He was brought into Golden State and paid a lot of money 'cause everyone saw that he fits into the Warriors system. He has yet to be fully utilized and integrated.
The Warriors really have to get the bigs utilized, Biedrins has to be averaging at least 10ppg, David Lee 20ppg.
Overall, team defense needs to improve a lot more. It's still an improvement from last season, where defense wasn't allowed due to Nellie-ball. But still, there's still a long way to go. DTW, defense travels well (Coach Smart). keep up the hard work, Go Warriors, go Jlin!
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ReplyDeleteDavid lee, along with Dwight Howard, are the only big guys in the league who led their franchise in scoring. For some reason, I thought Vince Carter scored more than Dwight due to lack of offensive repertoire.
Chris Kaman might've joined the list, but I think he got injured and Eric Gordon passed him in scoring.. . not too sure.. . meh, too lazy to check
What happened to all the aggressive drives that defined Lin's college career? The fearlessness needs to come back.
ReplyDeleteWhat made him stand out in college and summer league was that he added valued EVERY SINGLE time he touched the ball. That has disappeared lately.
start curry, monta, carney (not allowed to shoot-- just defend), lee, biedrins.
ReplyDeleteoff the bench for limited minutes bring jlin, reggie, bwhite, leave lee, biedrins. it's a 2-3 minute team tops.
then sub out biedrins, then lee and lin reggie.
go with monta curry carney (bwhite or reggie whoever is playing better) adrien.
basically, reggie and jlin spell curry and monta in tandem.
wright gets carney.
and until udoh and admunsen return... adrien, biedrins, and lee three man rotation with adrien getting limited minutes.
the jlin with curry and monta is a waste. except for jlins defense.
go with this rotation and monta and curry get to do their thing the bulk of the time. and get a blow from jlin and reggie. jlin gets to run the point. and both reggie and bwhite get to come off the bench shooting.
point is... dorrel wright should not be a starter. he should come of the bench. tell carney to defend the small forward and don't let him shoot. he won't need to anyway because monta and curry are going to hoist all the shots...
Folks, I agree, the Warriors play like a selfish team. And I think it begins at the guard level. When they see Monta just shoot the ball almost every chance he gets, and Curry can not run the plays well, everyone has gravitated to just shooting the ball themselves. Some of the shots last night were horrible choices. Could have used more passing to develop the plays. But nope, in 38+ minutes, Monta has "0" assists. And Curry, the more I see him play, I think he may be better as the shooting guard. Reason: he turns the ball over regularly, and he has a hard time running plays. And when it comes to defense, he is like a boy guarding the men out there. With a physical point guard, he just does not have the strength to "D" up.
ReplyDeleteI also agree, the W's seem to be self-destructing...let's hope they can turn it around.
the problem is monta and to a lesser extent curry. but don't tell that to desperate dubs fans who only look at the scoring stats. fix the starting 1 & 2 position and you have a playoff calibre team. first of all monta at 6'3", 180lbs is too short and too weak to defend other team's 6'6" sg's. and even though curry at 6'3" 185lbs is a good size for a pg, he is too weak and slow to defend other pg's. the two of them on the floor together is a disaster defensively AND offensively as none of them can really get anyone else involved.
ReplyDelete"What happened to all the aggressive drives that defined Lin's college career? The fearlessness needs to come back."
ReplyDeleteBecause Smart insists on playing him with Monta, not Curry most of the time. They don't want to upset Steph by moving him to SG where he belongs.
For the record, for all of JL's "struggles," he almost always holds the fort down -- through baskets, defense, steals, blocks, or bringing up the offensive energy for his teammates. JL has never once cost the Ws a close game. Right now, he's at worst a mixed bag. Nothing to worry about; nothing to get excited about. Just let JL play and prove himself!
Do you think Smart asks JL to drive to the basket and be aggressive offensively when he sub JL into the game? Not likely. It is more likely that Smart asks JL to play smart, pass the ball, and play good defense, so Monta or SG can rest.
ReplyDeleteI think Ellis needs to be traded, he's good offensively, but that's it, the guy doesn't play any defense and seems like he has a chip on his shoulder. He's also not big enough to really play a two and doesn't dish the ball enough to play the 1. People compare him to Iverson, but where is Iverson now?
ReplyDelete"He's also not big enough to really play a two and doesn't dish the ball enough to play the 1"
ReplyDeletethat's why he fell into the 2nd round of the draft pick. that's his style and he will not change.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Monta-Ellis-289/
i dont care if Lin has to drive and get fouled on every play, he needs to be more aggressive offensively or else the dubs will look for someone with the same defensive intensity but with a stronger offensive skill set. i'm rooting for him to have a long career. but really...you use your heart to play defense, but you use skills to play offensive. to me, skill is harder to gain than heart.
ReplyDeleteI've seen enough to believe Lin can play in the NBA...perhaps not with the present Warriors roster. If he leaves,it'll be a disappointing moment but I will look forward to someday watching Steph Curry fall on his rear end while trying to guard Lin's drive to the basket.
ReplyDeletewhy should jlin even need to score? or score much? i mean, at best, hes a limited minutes back up... the warriors don't need more points from the point guard spot or the two spot. they need more points from the TEAM, particularly the 3,4,5 (and that might include a few from jlin. ... but a lot?) they have plenty of points from the guard spots. in fact, as i have been saying all along, they may have too many points from the guard spot. the fact is, they are just a weak team -- with two prolific scorers -- and don't play very good team basketball. the way they play is tailored for curry and monta to score in bunches, but does not do much for overall team flow. i mean, count the amount of dribbles that curry will use to get off his shot. and everybody else just stands around and watches. at least monta gets to the basket in a few dribbles but he will also hunt an outside shot with multiple dribbles. its bad basketball at its finest. but it may be the only type of basketball that they can play. there are many other players on this team that can't score or don't score when they need them to. just a weak team. jlin is fine. the owner wants him there...
ReplyDeleteWhile Monta and Curry are fun to watch as individuals, they don't play team basketball. They will always be limited to be the next Stephon Marbury or Allen Iverson. It's a me first chip-on-the-shoulder mentality that's evident in their style of play, which stunts the offense for everyone else.
ReplyDeleteEveryone just stands around as Monta or Curry makes a move. They miss. Opponent rebounds and takes it the other way for a basket.
Dubs should trade Monta and Curry for Russell Westbrook. That would be a game changer.