I wish Jeremy the best. I know him since he was little, probably longer than most people here. I told him once that I did not think he would be picked up by any college, and unfortunately that turned out to be right. But he did very well at Harvard and became a much better player. Harvard, however, would have trouble beating many top high-scool teams so his accomplishments there are relative.
I did not think that he would be drafted by the NBA and that turned out to be the case. He is not NBA material and I doubt he will ever be. He's struggling with one of the worst teams in the NBA. I also don't think he would be successful in Europe. At his position there are way too many good European players and he lacks the fundamentals that most of those players have.
What I think is unfortunate is that never before so much has been written and recorded about such little real accomplishment. The sad reality is that the vast majority of his followers are so because he is Asian, period. Were this kid black, he would have been ignored from day one. There are so many complaints from people, and even from Jeremy, that doors have been closed to him for being Asian. in reality, without being Asian just about noone in this forum and similar places would care about him.
I'm sure one of Obama's family had at one point said the same to him - that he will never be president. I'm surprised that there are people who claim to know Jeremy but have already made up their minds that he can't make it without waiting for at least 1season to pass. What have people like that achieved in their lives I really curious to know (actually on 2nd thoughts I don't wanna know), I'm pretty sure they're not in the nba;)
There is a will,there is a way.Based on 6 preseason and summer games,definitely he has talent to bloom in NBA,if he could keep focus mentally on court,strengthen/equalize both hands' skill and rotate footing.Lookup NBA player's stat for Arron Miles,Charlie Bell, then compare them with Jeremy's,you would conclude he is good enough to develop.He needs to diplay confidence and project playing smoothly.Let him figure out by himself(Harvard4years turned out a major help)
I have followed NBA for over 40 years. I have seen the performance of JL in the college and summer games. He is a NBA player. Anybody saying no is because he/she do not have the ability or chance to do it
If he were black, he would have been recruited to Cal or Stanford and been formally drafted. Whether Lin has what it takes to be a quality NBA player...nobody really knows yet. He's the kinda of guy (like Steve Nash) who may need some years to reach his potential. But I would guess he'll get there sooner than most think.
As for Europe, Lin would be a Top 10 guard without a doubt.
I am not sure in JLin will ever be a good nba player, but for the guy who claimed to have known him since he was little to put up all these negative predictions about Jlin is ridiculous. JLin might not have played for a big-time college program, but he played against the likes of UConn and did very well. I feel sorry for this guy who put up the comment. I can only guess that JLin probably took him to school when they were little, because he is certainly not in JLin's shoes right now and can only throw spitballs from the sidelines.
To the second anonymous who said that he believes Jeremy Lin is not NBA material. Well, he signed a contract with the Warriors after proving himself in the summer league. How much wrong can you get? You even gave us prove that you have no clue what you are talking about. First you said you doubted that he will ever be chosen to play basketball for a college. Well, he was chosen, but not for a division one team. However, he lead Harvard to one of their best seasons. Now you believe that Jeremy is going to be just cut off just like that? You knew him since you two were kids and you are doubting him continuously? Seriously, what is your problem? Sure, he isn't glamorous in this preseason, but you have to think about factors that are contributing to this. First off, he is playing behind Curry and Ellis. Secondly, the new warrior coach is ridiculously stupid for letting his best players play for 30+ minutes in the preseason. Don't get me wrong, I know Lin is not going to be a superstar in the NBA, but I am pretty sure he would be a decent bench for now. You on the other hand, don't even think he deserves to be in the NBA. Only thing I can say to that is, shame on you for all the doubts throughout his life. What have you accomplished?
JJ Reddick sucked in his first year in the NBA. Could not keep up with anybody or create his own shot on the floor. Now he's the 6th man with the Orlando Magic.
Also, Harvard IS Division I. Ivy League may not be good, but it's still better than at least 4-5 other D-I conferences. And an assistant coach at UCLA (assitants do most of the recruiting), said that he got it wrong and JL would have started for UCLA.
Well, attacking me for expressing my opinion really does not add much to this discussion.
Like I said, I like Jeremy very much. But also, I do have the perspective of getting to see at court level well over 1,000 high-school and college players each season and Jeremy at no point has impressed me as NBA material. Yes, he is very good, but I think people many times do not realize the fenomenal jump in talent that there is from College to the NBA. There are just about 500 NBA players and of those maybe 200 are barely treading water. That leaves 300 people out of a world population of 6+ billion who are real NBA-caliber players.
What I am mainly saying is that these boards are counter-productive. There is no way Jeremy would ever be able to match the expectations that are being put forth here. Case in point: "Jeremey owned Wall at Las Vegas". That was silly to read and just a few weeks later Wall is top 20 in scoring and Lin plays behind fifth-rate players like Miles and Bell. It is not helpful and worse it is damaging.
Other case in point: comparison with Steve Nash. It's nonsense. Nash was being groomed as NBA point from day one and played 12 meaningful minutes in 65 Suns games in hsis rookie season. Clearly Lin is not in that position.
I think that if people really care about Lin, and not about how good he might be for them and for Asian-Americans, that they should stop overhyping and over-projecting. Praying for him and being thankful for what he accomplishes would be a lot more productive.
Isn't that what we're doing ? Being thankful that there is at least one Asian American who has a chance in the NBA. And he doesn't have to be 7 foot tall to qualify.
People are attacking you for expressing your opinion not because they are asian americans trying to overhype another asian american, but because your negative opinion is one that's seemingly based on some personal reason rather than your so-called "the perspective of getting to see at court level well over 1,000 high-school and college players each season" Your arrogance in judging JLin or some personal vendetta is what's offensive to the fans who simply find Jeremy's story inspiring and wants nothing but success for him. If you really think you are an expert in judging NBA talents, you ought to be applying for a NBA job instead of "googling" Jeremy's name and finds this forum and decides that you want to spoil the enthusiasm. Furthermore even if JLin never turns out to be a professional basketball player, I will still tell my kids to look up to him for what he has overcome with respect to the game of basketball.
Apparently it's NOT OK for a few Asian basketball fans to support Jeremy Lin, but it's perfectly fine to overwhelmingly support Barack Obama based on color.
JLin is actually doing what the SF Giants are doing. Hurdle over hurdle on every levels. No one believes in you. The Cinderella to underdog stories & proving everyone is totally wrong about them. The word "Can't" is not in their vocabulary for both of them.
"He's a terrific basketball player. What I really like about him is he's athletic, more than you think so. He controls his temperament to a really nice tempo. He knows how to play. He's one of the better kids, including BIG EAST guards, who have come in here in quite some time...I really love his composure." - Connecticut Head Coach Jim Calhoun
"There are a lot of teams that come through here... I can't think of a team that he wouldn't play for." - Connecticut Head Coach Jim Calhoun
"Lin can play anywhere, in any league." - ESPN commentator Jay Bilas
Jeremy just needs to improve his shooting as he said himself he's more of a penetrating playmaker. Steve Nash wouldn't be Steve Nash if he didn't have a sweet jumper.
Did Jeremy attempt a single jump shot in the pre-season? He didn't make any if he did.
Exactly. People are jumping down that guy's throat not because he claims to be an "expert" on JL despite the fact that -- by his own admission -- he's been repeatedly wrong about JL throughout his career. Who gives a crap about your worthless predictions, man?
Whether or not Lin can play in the NBA, I'm certainly not gonna listen to a guy who's been surprised by Lin's success multiple times already. He doesn't even realize that Aaron Miles was cut already, lol. No one's saying Lin's better than Wall -- but the fact that he played so well against Wall shows that he may be capable of succeeding against those high-caliber athletes.
Only losers think something can't be done. Can't fly an astronaut to the moon. Can't cure polio. Can't see a black man every playing in major league baseball. Can't envision a black president. Can't even support his own "childhood friend" in the NBA. Loser.
well done, jongo. I think most of us would like to see him succeed in the NBA, but whether he does or not is irrelevant to the goodwill we have for him. You are right : "only losers think something can't be done"
I wrote this super long comment in response to Anonymous #2 & #12 but somehow it got lost when I hit preview! Ah well, other board members have since addressed it much more eloquent than I so all's well.
I came across this interesting article written by a self-proclaimed "doubter" and thought ya'll would be interesting in reading it as it is somewhat related to the responses in this post.
My son had a great time. Jeremy was a very cool and humble guy. Can't help but to root for him
ReplyDeleteI wish Jeremy the best. I know him since he was little, probably longer than most people here. I told him once that I did not think he would be picked up by any college, and unfortunately that turned out to be right. But he did very well at Harvard and became a much better player. Harvard, however, would have trouble beating many top high-scool teams so his accomplishments there are relative.
ReplyDeleteI did not think that he would be drafted by the NBA and that turned out to be the case. He is not NBA material and I doubt he will ever be. He's struggling with one of the worst teams in the NBA. I also don't think he would be successful in Europe. At his position there are way too many good European players and he lacks the fundamentals that most of those players have.
What I think is unfortunate is that never before so much has been written and recorded about such little real accomplishment. The sad reality is that the vast majority of his followers are so because he is Asian, period. Were this kid black, he would have been ignored from day one. There are so many complaints from people, and even from Jeremy, that doors have been closed to him for being Asian. in reality, without being Asian just about noone in this forum and similar places would care about him.
Sad, but true.
thanks for sharing but I believe he is a NBA material and I look forward to see him shine, God Bless!!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure one of Obama's family had at one point said the same to him - that he will never be president. I'm surprised that there are people who claim to know Jeremy but have already made up their minds that he can't make it without waiting for at least 1season to pass. What have people like that achieved in their lives I really curious to know (actually on 2nd thoughts I don't wanna know), I'm pretty sure they're not in the nba;)
ReplyDeleteThere is a will,there is a way.Based on 6 preseason and summer games,definitely he has talent to bloom in NBA,if he could keep focus mentally on court,strengthen/equalize both hands' skill and rotate footing.Lookup NBA player's stat for Arron Miles,Charlie Bell, then compare them with Jeremy's,you would conclude he is good enough to develop.He needs to diplay confidence and project playing smoothly.Let him figure out by himself(Harvard4years turned out a major help)
ReplyDeleteI have followed NBA for over 40 years. I have seen the performance of JL in the college and summer games. He is a NBA player. Anybody saying no is because he/she do not have the ability or chance to do it
ReplyDeleteIf he were black, he would have been recruited to Cal or Stanford and been formally drafted. Whether Lin has what it takes to be a quality NBA player...nobody really knows yet. He's the kinda of guy (like Steve Nash) who may need some years to reach his potential. But I would guess he'll get there sooner than most think.
ReplyDeleteAs for Europe, Lin would be a Top 10 guard without a doubt.
I am not sure in JLin will ever be a good nba player, but for the guy who claimed to have known him since he was little to put up all these negative predictions about Jlin is ridiculous. JLin might not have played for a big-time college program, but he played against the likes of UConn and did very well. I feel sorry for this guy who put up the comment. I can only guess that JLin probably took him to school when they were little, because he is certainly not in JLin's shoes right now and can only throw spitballs from the sidelines.
ReplyDeleteTo the second anonymous who said that he believes Jeremy Lin is not NBA material. Well, he signed a contract with the Warriors after proving himself in the summer league. How much wrong can you get? You even gave us prove that you have no clue what you are talking about. First you said you doubted that he will ever be chosen to play basketball for a college. Well, he was chosen, but not for a division one team. However, he lead Harvard to one of their best seasons. Now you believe that Jeremy is going to be just cut off just like that? You knew him since you two were kids and you are doubting him continuously? Seriously, what is your problem? Sure, he isn't glamorous in this preseason, but you have to think about factors that are contributing to this. First off, he is playing behind Curry and Ellis. Secondly, the new warrior coach is ridiculously stupid for letting his best players play for 30+ minutes in the preseason. Don't get me wrong, I know Lin is not going to be a superstar in the NBA, but I am pretty sure he would be a decent bench for now. You on the other hand, don't even think he deserves to be in the NBA. Only thing I can say to that is, shame on you for all the doubts throughout his life. What have you accomplished?
ReplyDeleteJJ Reddick sucked in his first year in the NBA. Could not keep up with anybody or create his own shot on the floor. Now he's the 6th man with the Orlando Magic.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Harvard IS Division I. Ivy League may not be good, but it's still better than at least 4-5 other D-I conferences. And an assistant coach at UCLA (assitants do most of the recruiting), said that he got it wrong and JL would have started for UCLA.
ReplyDeleteWell, attacking me for expressing my opinion really does not add much to this discussion.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, I like Jeremy very much. But also, I do have the perspective of getting to see at court level well over 1,000 high-school and college players each season and Jeremy at no point has impressed me as NBA material. Yes, he is very good, but I think people many times do not realize the fenomenal jump in talent that there is from College to the NBA. There are just about 500 NBA players and of those maybe 200 are barely treading water. That leaves 300 people out of a world population of 6+ billion who are real NBA-caliber players.
What I am mainly saying is that these boards are counter-productive. There is no way Jeremy would ever be able to match the expectations that are being put forth here. Case in point: "Jeremey owned Wall at Las Vegas". That was silly to read and just a few weeks later Wall is top 20 in scoring and Lin plays behind fifth-rate players like Miles and Bell. It is not helpful and worse it is damaging.
Other case in point: comparison with Steve Nash. It's nonsense. Nash was being groomed as NBA point from day one and played 12 meaningful minutes in 65 Suns games in hsis rookie season. Clearly Lin is not in that position.
I think that if people really care about Lin, and not about how good he might be for them and for Asian-Americans, that they should stop overhyping and over-projecting. Praying for him and being thankful for what he accomplishes would be a lot more productive.
Isn't that what we're doing ? Being thankful that there is at least one Asian American who has a chance in the NBA. And he doesn't have to be 7 foot tall to qualify.
ReplyDeleteNobody here is overyhyping him.
People are attacking you for expressing your opinion not because they are asian americans trying to overhype another asian american, but because your negative opinion is one that's seemingly based on some personal reason rather than your so-called "the perspective of getting to see at court level well over 1,000 high-school and college players each season" Your arrogance in judging JLin or some personal vendetta is what's offensive to the fans who simply find Jeremy's story inspiring and wants nothing but success for him. If you really think you are an expert in judging NBA talents, you ought to be applying for a NBA job instead of "googling" Jeremy's name and finds this forum and decides that you want to spoil the enthusiasm. Furthermore even if JLin never turns out to be a professional basketball player, I will still tell my kids to look up to him for what he has overcome with respect to the game of basketball.
ReplyDeleteApparently it's NOT OK for a few Asian basketball fans to support Jeremy Lin, but it's perfectly fine to overwhelmingly support Barack Obama based on color.
ReplyDeleteJLin is actually doing what the SF Giants are doing. Hurdle over hurdle on every levels.
ReplyDeleteNo one believes in you. The Cinderella to underdog stories & proving everyone is totally wrong about them. The word "Can't" is not in their vocabulary for both of them.
GO GIANTS!!! GO JEREMY LIN!!!
I think someone is trying a little too hard to create controversy. I don't know what the motive is.
ReplyDeletedang holla everybody gotta calm down...what God wills, will happen. and we'll find out tomorrow.
ReplyDelete"He's a terrific basketball player. What I really like about him is he's athletic, more than you think so. He controls his temperament to a really nice tempo. He knows how to play. He's one of the better kids, including BIG EAST guards, who have come in here in quite some time...I really love his composure." - Connecticut Head Coach Jim Calhoun
ReplyDelete"There are a lot of teams that come through here... I can't think of a team that he wouldn't play for." - Connecticut Head Coach Jim Calhoun
"Lin can play anywhere, in any league." - ESPN commentator Jay Bilas
Jeremy just needs to improve his shooting as he said himself he's more of a penetrating playmaker. Steve Nash wouldn't be Steve Nash if he didn't have a sweet jumper.
ReplyDeleteDid Jeremy attempt a single jump shot in the pre-season? He didn't make any if he did.
Everything else should come naturally to him.
Exactly. People are jumping down that guy's throat not because he claims to be an "expert" on JL despite the fact that -- by his own admission -- he's been repeatedly wrong about JL throughout his career. Who gives a crap about your worthless predictions, man?
ReplyDeleteWhether or not Lin can play in the NBA, I'm certainly not gonna listen to a guy who's been surprised by Lin's success multiple times already. He doesn't even realize that Aaron Miles was cut already, lol. No one's saying Lin's better than Wall -- but the fact that he played so well against Wall shows that he may be capable of succeeding against those high-caliber athletes.
*oops, typo (delete the word "not" from the first sentence above)
ReplyDeleteOnly losers think something can't be done. Can't fly an astronaut to the moon. Can't cure polio. Can't see a black man every playing in major league baseball. Can't envision a black president. Can't even support his own "childhood friend" in the NBA. Loser.
ReplyDeletewell done, jongo. I think most of us would like to see him succeed in the NBA, but whether he does or not is irrelevant to the goodwill we have for him. You are right : "only losers think something can't be done"
ReplyDeleteI wrote this super long comment in response to Anonymous #2 & #12 but somehow it got lost when I hit preview! Ah well, other board members have since addressed it much more eloquent than I so all's well.
ReplyDeleteI came across this interesting article written by a self-proclaimed "doubter" and thought ya'll would be interesting in reading it as it is somewhat related to the responses in this post.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/10/19/10/Shell-The-Recruiting-Failure-with-Jeremy/landing_shell.html?blockID=334734&feedID=5882#cmnta_334734